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0:00 - 15:00. E.J. Kimball, President of EJK Strategies, joins Alex 15:00 - 31:00. Alex and E.J. continue their discussion on Antisemitism 31:00 - 48:00. Carl Kerby, Founder of Reasons For Hope, talks with Alex about his testimony and ministry To donate call : 877-616-2396

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    Darkness is not an affirmative force. It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light. This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio. It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite. Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media. And the philosophies of this world. God has called you and me to be his ambassador. Even in this dark moment. Let's not miss our moment. and now, The Hamilton Corner. Well, good evening America, Alex McFarland here, you know, in times like these watching the news in the world around us, it can perhaps be agonizing, but for a guy like me that gets opportunity to do radio and comment on the news and have very insightful guests to help analyze the world around us, it's actually somewhat gratifying, and I welcome you to The Hamilton Corner, attorney, pastor, journalist Abe Hamilton is traveling and I have the privilege of sitting in as I very often do. And there's so much in the news. It just seems, you know, I was at the RNC and I've commented on that two weeks ago in Milwaukee. I was there for the RNC and had a 30 minute conversation, great meeting with Eric Trump and Laura Trump and Mayor Giuliani and Cory Lewandowski that was Trump's first campaign manager, interviewed Michael and Dale and quite a number of elected officials, Ben Carson, that I've had the privilege of knowing for a long time because we do care about the state of the country. And one of the issues that I have commented on much in recent months has been the rise and the toleration in America of anti-Semitism. And so last week when Benjamin Netanyahu spoke in Washington, presumptive nominee for the Democrat side, Kamala Harris was not there.

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    But someone who was there that I'm just so privileged to be able to call on short notice and really pick their brain. It's my friend, E.J. Kimball of combat anti-Semitism, which is a great organization. And I want to get his take on what's going on at least in terms of Israel, the Middle East, combating Hamas terrorism, but also hearing about the latest from the Organization Combat Antisemitism. He's with us now, E.J. Kimball. Thank you again for making time to join us on the American Family Radio Network. Alex, it's always great for you to be with you and to talk about, unfortunately, these dangerous times that we live in, but the importance of bringing this information to the people so that they understand what's going on. Indeed, before we get into some of the issues, I want you to give your website out and we'll repeat this in the broadcast, but what is the organization that you represent combat antisemitism? Yeah, so we are the combat antisemitism movement. you can visit us at combatantismetism.org. We're a network of over 850 organizations that have partnered together, including you, Alex, in this effort to combat the world's oldest hatred. And unfortunately, today we are seeing it rising up and getting mainstreamed, which has only made our work that much more important. So that's combatantismetism.org. Yeah, and you and I have talked about this on numerous occasions, but it really has made my heart heavy. It's, E.J., it's really a combination of grief and shock. Look, I know, especially in academia, because I've spent a lot of my adult life as a college professor.

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    And I know in American academia, there's not a lot of support for the nation of Israel because There's not a lot of people that recognize the historicity of Israel and what we read in the Scriptures about the nation of Israel. But I got to tell you, since October of 23 and the terrorist attacks, I have been shocked, I mean speechless at not only how, and I'm going to use the term because it's the right Jew hatred sadly not only has it been tolerated exacerbated even encouraged have you been shocked at just the the the toleration and and almost celebration of Jew hatred since last fall. Daddly I have not been shocked but many of my friends have been shocked and that It also includes people who have recognized the growing danger. Because I've been deeply embedded in looking at what's going on around the country and working in this space for so long, the seeds have been germinating for years. October 7th was sort of a, it wasn't just this attack that Famas launched against Israel and the Jewish people. It was also an attack that went against Jews around the world while it has not manifested significantly in a violent way, and I preface significantly in a violent way because there has been violence, but the antagonism and threatening nature of these movements, not pro-Palestinian protesters who are protesting for Palestinian rights, but these are pro-Hamas protesters.

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    They are supporting Hamas and what Hamas sought to do against Israel. They're supporting Hezbollah and what Hezbollah seeks to do against Israel in the wrong. That is what these protest movements and what has happened on college campuses has been brewing for years. I'm talking years meaning like decades that has been brewing there. After October 7th it exploded. This was not just about Jew hatred. This was also about anti-Americanism and American support for Israel and the Jewish people. I am not shocked by what I saw. It is disheartening to see in many cases, cowardice, by those who should be in positions of leadership, stepping in and doing what they should be doing and stopping it. That has been the most concerning aspect of it for me. Yeah, and cowardice, I mean, that's the appropriate word because to be on record unequivocally, and not equivocating well this, but maybe, no, it is wrong. And it's a puzzlement to me, E.J., that in this world, I mean, we've for years social justice, equality, anti-racism. This is the racism that gets sanctioning by, you know, American academia, celebrities, Patriot of Jewish people, not acknowledging Israel's right to self-defense. I was just blown away the disrespect, not to mention inaccuracy when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was speaking that Tlaib of the squad was holding up a little placard that said war criminal. I mean, that's ludicrous.

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    Folks, this is why, look, be a person of conviction, be a person of courage, be able, every listener, to be able to unequivocally say, now I stand for the rights of the Jewish people. I stand for the nation of Israel, for self-determination. It's a sovereign nation. It's our longest ally and our only stable, dependable friend in the Middle East. EJ, I thought it was moving. I was in a car, I pulled over, I listened on the radio, and Netanyahu was very clear. He said, regardless of who is elected, America and Israel have been friends, and we will be your friend. I thought that was quite moving. And look, I'm on record, I'm voting Republican, and I wanna talk about the RNC, and a group that I spoke with, Jews for Trump. But I thought it was very magnanimous that he was on record saying, regardless of who occupies the Oval Office, Israel plans to be America's friend, even if America is not the friend that we should be. That was pretty powerful, wasn't it? Well, the whole speech, I was very fortunate enough to be in that, in the gallery, watching his speech. And even just being there in the energy in that room and the emotion when he recognized the different IDF soldiers, one who was Ethiopian family came from Ethiopia on October 7th, He heard what was going on. He put on his shoes. He put on, grabbed his gun in uniform. He didn't have a car. So what did he do? He ran eight miles to go fight.

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    And just seeing the valor that these, I mean, someone who lost vision in, I believe his right eye and lost his left arm and is about to return as a commander. I mean, that is the heart of the Israeli army, who is fighting for survival on behalf of civilization. And the Prime Minister nailed it, where he said, this is not a clash of civilizations. This is a clash of civilization versus barbarism. Yes. So if people can recognize that, there is no question what side the world should be on. There is no two sides to this war. It is either the side of civilization or you're on the side of barbarism. And the speech went over well, and there were some members of Congress who do not like the Prime Minister, who were there, who are not fans of what Israel is doing, who were there, and they were respectful. And I even watched them have time stood up and cheered and clapped, not all the time, but some of the time. And it shows the strength of the US-Israel relationship, and even in the Democratic Party, which is having a challenge right now, I think, is a mild way of putting it. What the Prime Minister made the point is, if this becomes a partisan issue where only one party supports Israel, that is not going to just be dangerous for Israel. That's going to be extremely dangerous for the United States of America because our enemies are the same enemy as Israel's enemies. For those just tuning in, Alex McFarlane here with our frequent guest and colleague and friend, E.J. Kimball, of the combat anti-Semitism movement. And we've got a lot to talk about. But E.J., I would ask you, what would you like the average American to know who, I mean, when you hear about anti-Semitism and abandonment of standing with Israel and somebody says, well, I'm aware of this, but that doesn't really touch my life.

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    So I'm not terribly invested in that issue because it doesn't really involve me. I would argue it does. To the person who's non-committal, what would you say? I would tell them that there is no non-committal. Once you are aware of what is going on, if you choose to ignore it, you are being complicit. Now, look, if you don't understand it, I've run into people who are not very religious, certainly not Jewish, and I would say about four months after October 7, they really had no idea what was going on. But then they actually, when they were surprised to hear it from me, they did some research and they were shocked because they just didn't know. But now that they know that you have to act and if you don't act, you are complicit. There is no neutral party in this matter. And if you believe in God, if you believe in good versus evil and you don't act, you You are helping the other side. Your silence is complicity. And I'll give you one little anecdote. I've been wearing a yellow ribbon pin, symbolizing the hostages, including American hostages that are held by Hamas. And I wear it on my lapel every time I've got my jacket on. And I went to a meeting in Washington, D.C., you know, building and the person, the security guard, was looked at it and asked me what that was and I said it's for the hostages. He said I thought that was. I haven't seen anyone wearing it. E.J., forgive me. We've only had about 20 seconds to the break.

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    You're going to have to conclude this story after this break and I beg your forgiveness, but folks, we've got a brief little intermission here. Alex McFarland, this is the American Family Radio Network. will continue much more on this edition of the Hamilton Corner with E.J. Kimball, Carl Kirby, and more. Stay tuned. We're back after this brief break. You've heard a lot about saving babies on this show. That's because it's important to me personally. And let me just be frank with you. We need to save them. That's why we've partnered with Preborn, the nation's leader, in introducing mothers with unplanned pregnancies to their babies. And once she hears that heartbeat and sees that precious life growing inside of her, she is twice as likely to choose life. Now that's a miracle. But quite honestly, if we don't save them, who will? Preborn receives no government funding so their work is completely dependent on us. Preborn has rescued over 280,000 babies, and that's not all. They provide love, support, and counseling for up to two years for free, saving lives and souls. One ultrasound is just $28 or $140 helps to rescue five babies' lives. Abortion doesn't stop, so we can't. Together, you and I can save lives. Just dial pound 250 on your cell and say the key word baby. That's 250 baby. Or go to preborn.com. That's preborn.com. Shiting light into the darkness. This is the Hamilton Quarter, on American Family Radio. Welcome back to the program. Alex McRond here, very honored to be sitting in for attorney and pastor Abe Hamilton, my guest on the phone, E.J. Kimball, of the Combat Antisemitism Movement. E.J. before the break, you were talking about wearing a yellow ribbon to show solidarity for the hostages and finish that story, if you would.

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    Yeah, so I was saying I went to a meeting in an office building in D.C. with the ribbon on, and the security guard asked me what it was for. And I confirmed that it was for the hostages, including the American hostages. And he said that he hadn't seen anyone wearing it in the building, and then he pulls out a chain necklace that he was wearing that was tucked into a shirt that had a star of David with a cross in the middle. And he said that he's a Christian, and he supports and loves Israel and the Jewish people. And I said to him, I urged him. I said, don't hide it. Wear it out because there are so many people who are on the right side, but because of how strong and vocal the opposition is, these protesters that are out there and threatening Jews and their supporters, we need to show solidarity and show the power of the numbers who actually are on the right side of this issue. So I really urge people not to be afraid to stand up and speak the truth. Well, indeed, indeed, and all of us should and folks, I'm going to say this, that the way that Kamala Harris wouldn't attend Benjamin Netanyahu's recent visit to Washington in that speech, you know, that to me, that would have been low hanging fruit as an aspiring presidential candidate to go. I mean, the fact that she didn't go and went to something, a very superficial event that she could do anytime, that says a lot. And I frankly, I hope it influences a lot of people in the way they vote. Let me ask you this. Do you think that Prime Minister Netanyahu, I mean, the fact that Kamala Harris, the candidate for the Democrat Party, wouldn't even acknowledge his presence in Washington. What do you think that message sends to him?

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    Well, I think the fact that she did not preside over that joint session of Congress for his that joint meeting of Congress for the Prime Minister's address, which is part of her constitutional duties as president, not just as vice president of the United States, but also president of the Senate was a striking message about her policy on Israel. And you can excuse it as politics, but that's the whole point is if you're excusing it, then you're allowing it. And another thing that has not gotten a lot of attention, but typically when a head of state, a foreign head of state is in Washington, D.C., they line the streets of Pennsylvania Avenue and the White House with the flags of that country. And they didn't do that. And this is typical of what's happening in this country. When any minority group is threatened, when the Black community is Hispanic, Asian-American, any of these communities are threatened, everyone stands up for their rights. Everyone is out on the streets. When a country has been attacked, you see the support, their flag is waving. But when it comes to Jews or it comes to the Jewish state, that's where they draw the line. So when the leader of the Jewish state of Israel comes to Washington, because there's going to be protesters who may try to rip down these flags and as we saw, be face federal property, instead of holding them accountable to the full extent of the law, we then go over backwards to give them the ability to impact how we actually act, to impact our freedoms, to run our country the way that we are supposed to do it. And that's the danger of this type of behavior where it's normalizing this Jew hatred. As you say, and I'm glad that you use that word, not anti-Semitism because that's too hard to understand. Jew hatred is what it is.

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    And that is the danger that we face today. And until people start standing up and our media starts calling it out for what it is and stops holding everything to a double standard when it comes to Jews, and they don't have to mention Islamophobia whenever there's an attack on Jews that's anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism, Jew hatred, can stand on its own and can be addressed individually before we deal with other problems, because that is the biggest problem we face today. Yeah, and I mean, it really does show that we're in a battle of worldview. It shows the spiritual dynamics. Like you say, like Netanyahu said, this is civilization versus barbarism. This is dark versus light. This is good versus evil. And folks, I would just beg of you to have the courage and the conviction to take a stand, the Bible Psalm 122 verse 6 says that we are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. EJ when I was at the RNC and there was a group of, I'm going to say at least two dozen men, obviously Orthodox Jewish men, and they were holding up signs that said Jews for Trump. And I went over there and I was talking with them, just wonderful people. And I said, just for the record, and they asked me, they said, what organization are you with? And I was there doing media for the American Family Association and also VCY television. And I said, just for the record categorically, we stand with Israel, we stand against hatred of the Jewish people. And I mean, they were very moved. And one Jewish man, he said, son, you're on the right side of history and you're on God's side. And I said, well, blessings to you as well. But for one thing, and not to be partisan because look, this is human rights.

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    This is what is morally right. Do you think that the way the Democrat leaders, not all, but almost all, have stood with terrorism and not stood for Israel, not condemned anti-Semitism? EJ, do you think that really, I don't mean to generalize, but in general, the Democrat party has had the jewish vote to a large degree in america did you think that's going to really change i i personally think it is but what do you think i i think it i think it may and i watch the republican convention i plan to watch the democratic convention and what me truck me about the republican convention was the amount of american flags israeli flag to talk about returning the the hostages, support for Israel, and I'm going to be very focused in on how that plays out in Chicago for the Democratic Convention, because that will tell you what you need to know about where the party stands. Yeah. Well, and let me say this, I heard Donald Trump speak in February, and he was introduced, I was in Nashville at a meeting with about 2,000 faith leaders, Christian leaders, and you may have been there. Were you there at the NRB when Trump spoke? I was at the NRB, but I was not there when he spoke. Well, he was introduced by David Friedman, of whom you may know. And was he the U.S. ambassador to Israel during the Trump years? Was that his role? Yes. Yes, that was. And David Friedman came out to thunderous applause, but he introduced Donald Trump and And he said, you know, I think we all know this is pretty much verbatim, had Donald Trump been in office, the terrorist attacks of October 7th would not have happened.

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    And I agree. And so my goodness, you know, we're talking about a lot of things here, folks, and we're talking about terrorists being emboldened, terrorists feeling like they've got a green light to further jeopardize not only the safety of Israel, but the West in general. Look, I realize that it's a very volatile time in which we live, but correct me if I'm wrong, I really think allowing racism against Jews and allowing, you know, giving terrorists a to free pass to attack Israel, that really does jeopardize the safety and the stability of the entire world. I will agree with that. The most important thing that we can see a difference in the recent administration, there's a difference of belief in this was with President Obama and President Biden versus President Trump and President George W. Bush, that there's a belief that if there is space between the the US and Israel, that will help Israel make the tough decisions to bring about peace. There's that theory which I completely disagree with and it leads to their enemies feeling emboldened. When you saw President Trump and President George W. Bush who maintained no space in that relationship, Israel was strong, its enemies speared them. If they did attack, Israel responded harshly and quickly and pushed them back. And that is the important message that this next administration needs to be hand in hand. When President Biden said an iron-clad relationship, it needs to actually be iron-clad.

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    Wow. And by the way, folks, in March of 26, I'll be helping to lead a tour to Israel. And I want to encourage people to go to Israel. You will be safe there. I was there for 11 days, and I felt absolutely safe. E.J., one thing that I think is important and not only is it a spiritual experience, but it will just help you understand just what a beautiful nation it is. is contrasted with you look across the Kedron Valley and it's pretty bleak. It is important in talking about our relationship that people go to Israel and people visit and see that nation and I think their feelings of solidarity will only increase if they do. A hundred percent correct if you're thinking about visiting Israel, go. There's no better time to be there than now. The country needs the visitors. I mean, the tourism industry is what helps drive that country's economy. It's very important for people to visit, but also the spiritual basis of being in Israel and actually seeing these areas. And bearing witness to the atrocities on October 7th will change you. Whether you watch the videos or physically go to the Nova Festival site, to the Kibbut seen in the south, visiting with residents from the north that have been out of their homes almost this entire war. Because on October 8, the day after Hezbollah started firing rockets at Israel. So to be there and to talk to the people there and to understand what they're going through, the world doesn't care about what's happening in Israel. But there's 100,000 internally displaced Israelis and not just Jews.

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    These are Muslims, these are Christians, these are people of all faiths, ethnicities. Israel is not a white country of Jews. It is a mixture, primarily Jews, but it is a mixture of all religions that live side by side in peace. And that's the message that the world has not been sharing and not recognizing. And it is vitally important for people to support Israel and to visit. EJ Kimball, we appreciate you so much and we've got to change gears here. But before we do, give us your website again, please. Sure. It is CombatAntismatism.org. Please go sign up for our newsletters and happy to discuss any time with the Alex. appreciate the opportunity. Well, it is something that my wife and I, we support, we believe in, and I encourage everybody to do the same, combatantismtism.org. E.J. Kimball, thank you very much. Alex McFarland here, folks, we're going to change gears and bring on another colleague and friend. By the way, I want to make an announcement before I really change gears. On my own website, we have got a page that we've created of content. And it's Alex McFarland.com slash vote. Alex McFarland dot com slash vote. If you're a first time voter, or maybe you haven't voted, I talked to a man last night, 24 hours ago, I was having dinner with an individual. He said, Alex, I've never voted, but because you insist on it, I registered, I'm gonna vote. So there are a lot of things at play and religious freedom, so many things that hang in the balance, our nation with relationship with Israel, by the way. So check out AlexMcFarlane.com slash vote. Well, folks, a longtime colleague and friend is Carl Kirby. He is the leader of Reasons for Hope, a ministry that I have the privilege of collaborating with on a lot of levels.

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    And it's been a great summer because at youth camps, all summer long, I've seen Carl Kirby. He's with us now for a few moments. Carl, welcome. Thanks for holding in. Welcome to the American Family Radio Network. Alex, thank you for letting me be here. It's a blessing always to get to speak with you. Well, hey, the 10th Commandment says thou shalt not covet, but every time I see the debunked videos that you make, I'm jealous because, you know, we make some videos. We put some things on social media. But you guys, you do stuff that is like world class quality and graphics. But I'm not too jealous. I'm happy because you make all these debunked videos that address issues like, you know, moral issues, evolution, the truth of the Bible. We got a break, but we're going to unpack this and get into this. Carl, what is your website? What is your app? Where can people find the debunked videos? it there and when we come back I'll tell people how they can even get the ones we're getting ready to release early before we release into the general public. Yay, hold that thought. It's Carl Kirby, Alex McFarland on AFR. A brief break, we'll be back after this. Don't go away. The Hamilton Quarter podcast and one-minute commentaries are available at AFR.net. Back to the Hamilton Quarter on American Family Radio.

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    Welcome back to the program. We're talking with Carl Kirby, a long-time friend in colleague. And Carl and I, we share a real passion for reaching young people. And we also share the conviction that one of the most powerful ways to share the gospel in this day and age is using apologetics. And Carl, I don't know if I've ever asked you this, but how did you get into apologetics? You know, I had no clue what it was, Alex. I got saved as a brand new Christian. And I was passionate about my faith. I was sharing it. but I really didn't have an understanding of the Word of God. And so the Bible was just to me, the good book, you know, like I got saved at 26, and I had grown up in church and I knew ritual. I knew stand-up, sit down, kneel. I knew when the offering plate was coming. So I knew ritual, but I didn't know Jesus. So I get saved and I'm passionate and I'm telling people about Jesus, but I'm in, I was an air traffic controller for a long time. And so I was riding in the continent of an aircraft for training. This is all pre-9-11 when you could do that kind of a thing. I witnessed the pilot and the co-pilot, they both turned out to be Christians. They started talking about evolution and I told them what my first Sunday school teacher taught me, which was you take evolution, you put it in the Bible, God used it, God directed it. It's the same sequence. The co-pilot corrected me. He lovingly turned around and said, Carl, I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. He took the Bible out and he went through Genesis 1 and he said, here's a dozen work, doesn't work, doesn't work. I was blown out of the water. I had never seen anybody use the Bible like that. I grew up with, well, I think I think I think, you know, people always telling you that. And if you push them, they might show you a Bible verse somewhere, but then you read that Bible verse and say, well, you can take that a couple of three ways. This guy used a Bible as an authority. And he introduced me, I said, where'd you learn to think like that? And he introduced me to a book that when I got back, I got saved in Salt Lake City, and I was flying out to Portland, Oregon. When I got back to Salt Lake City, I ordered that book.

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    I read it when I got it. I read it one night. I am 80 D to the max if you didn't you couldn't tell and Amen when you hook me I hyper focus everything disappears. I read it in one night and I was like this is it This is why I never trusted the Bible Because it was I look it's a good book, but I've got to ask this But it doesn't mean that and man after I saw that you could trust the Bible is real my whole faith change So apologetics was introduced to me by two pilots in a cockpit Wow. And what book was that that really arrested your attention so strongly? It was called The Lie Evolution by Ken Ham who I then started working with him and he was my mentor. I traveled with him and was with him for over 20 years and he's the reason I'm in ministry today. You know it's interesting because I got saved when I was 21, I was in college and two books that really got me on the apologetics track were by Josh McDowell evidence that demands a verdict and more than a carpenter But you know the funny thing Carl I guess I was a believer I don't know probably like a few weeks and I was it was a Wednesday night I was going to church because the church where I became a Christian Had a Wednesday night service and I was thinking and I'm a college student and I was like I wonder where dinosaurs fit in the Bible It didn't take me long and I probably couldn't have phrased it, but I realized, wait a minute, Genesis and what I've been taught in science class, middle school, high school, college, they can't both be true. Amen. That's a fact, isn't it? Look, it was either Moses or Darwin, but they can't both be right, can they? Amen. the youth yesterday or last night and then again this morning a medicare match at a camp right now out in the cedar falls iowa and last night we did the talk uh... is genesis important and here's a point that i make come uh... there's a movie it's a science fiction movie called uh... the fifth wave and in the fifth way this young lady writes in her diary you know you have to read the humans or how do you read the earth of humans you rid them of their humanity because everybody's turned against each other and you know it's just as the horrible battlefield anymore right it's not fiction and here's a thing that struck me on that well if you want to read earth of human to rid them of their humanity how do you read them of their humanity it is very simple rid them of their history and if you replace their history that in the beginning got created them and you are created in the image of god you are fearfully wonderfully made the god loves you so much to see major in his image that he came and he died on a cross for you and you replaced that history with over the course of 14 billion years, nothing turned into something to turn into everything that we see.

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    That's absolutely the way that you rid earth and humans of their humanity. You replaced their history. And so I went through that last night and then showed them the consequences of removing God from your history. If Genesis isn't true and you weren't created the way that God said that you were created and this worldview is true, then we see this, this, this, and this and now look at the lives we see suicide number one killer now they'll see number two no it is number one because it classified as accidents and accidents is the number one killer of teenagers in america the most christian nation on the planet they're like how can that be how can you have such hopelessness you can have that if you know who you are in christ and so this is why i say it has been very smart let me change their history and then you can destroy their future you know carl i was working on an article for uh... a book and uh... last week the cdc says that of ninth through twelfth graders ten percent have attempted suicide in the last twelve months is that so crazy yet and hard and and and and and and i think that we talked to these kids and let them know who they are you can feel like turn on and so that's what we have to do Listen to this folks. And by the way, one of the reasons Carl and I were very close. We collaborate. We work on biblical worldview camps along with our colleagues like Dave Glender and Frank Figueroa and Massey Compass. And you've got your staff with reasons for hope. And then I've got my staff with Truth for New Generation. By the way, I want to say a big thank you to Tim Weilman and the American Family Radio Network, the millions of listeners of AFR. They hear us promote the camps and aFR gives me the green light to do that to God be the glory But here's the thing All right last week I was in South Carolina and it was in a way. It was kind of cool. It rained every day I don't mean it a shower. I mean it was like downpour of rain So we had more classes we got to you know You can only play checkers so much and with all the kids we had more and more times to talk about God's word and apologetics.

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    But a young man comes up, great looking, all American kid, and he said, Mr. McFarland, do you remember me? And I said, I don't. He said, you led me to Christ last year at Temple, Georgia, and that's one of our camps. And then I remembered, he was confused about his gender. He had long hair, lip gloss. Thought he was a girl. And very respectfully, and with my post-grad training developmental psych, I know that mindset. And we talked, he said 14 months ago, you led me to Christ. And he said, God's really changed my life. I said, I see that. He had a haircut. He's living as the all-American young man that God made him to be. But here's my point, folks. In your Sunday school, in your youth group, in your outreach to people of all ages, but especially youth, they need the truth of God's Word. They need Carl's debunked videos because Carl, we're talking about souls and lives and the future of people. And God does use truth to make a difference, doesn't he? He absolutely does. As a matter of fact, this can't fit him out right here. When we started working it four years ago, they might have had 10. Might have had 10 people in it. Maybe 15 if we're going, you know, big, big number. members and is totally transformed. I had one of the workers come to me today to say, you guys have totally transformed this camp. It's not one of our equips, but it's one of the camps that we work at. Alex, I can tell you that out of the original people that were there, I think 90% of them are still coming. It is unbelievable to see how much it's grown and how engaged they are. When adults think, and I hear them tell me this, kids just don't care anymore so hard to reach them unlike man i disagree in the wrong stuff yet you're thinking the wrong stuff because i find a hungry group that is looking for people that look at the idea be straight beyond it and deal with issues that they're being confronted because they are being challenged and they want to know how to deal with it and we have answers amen uh... let me ask you about your app and the debunk videos because folks are not No kidding. You have not seen anything like the debunked videos. They're so good. They really are.

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    That's why I said I'm a little bit envious. I got to make some videos like this. What are some of the topics you cover in these, Carl? Well, I'll tell you the brand spanking new one that is getting ready to come out and the folks want to get it. I'll tell you how to do that before we release it to the general public is biblical faith is blind faith debunked because we hear that all the time. Although all you Christians all you have is faith. Oh my, you have no clue. If you think that's bad, that's really good because biblical faith is not the way that the world tries to depict it. And if people want to get that, if they've got a smart device, all they have to do is send a message. It is so simple. You send a message to the recipient, the number 51555. That's who you're sending the message to, 51555. And the message is very simple. It's F, B, B, C. So in the message you just put F, B, C, and when you send that, you're gonna get a response back and it has a link. If you hit that link and fill that out, you automatically become a debunk defender that shows us where to send the debunk to. All the future ones that get released, you're gonna get them before they get released to the general public, because we don't have any marketing money, so we've just hired you as our marketing team, So you can take those things and show them everywhere. And then you can also get on our app like Alex talks about, all the 26 current ones are on there. And the 26 current ones are dealing with topics like, well, there's no hell, debunked, abortion. There's nothing wrong with abortion, debunked. The Bible full of mistakes and errors, and debunked. You couldn't fit all the animals on a boat. So we cover a broad gambit of ideas. Nobody loves you. That is a big one with this generation. I mean, they are looking for someone that cares, and the Satan's big tool is, well, you're nothing special. Nobody loves you. Well, I beg to differ. We debunk that. And so it's a broad spectrum, and we're continuing to make them as we can financially.

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    We keep making them. Yeah. And what about your speaking tour? Where can people find you as you travel around the country? And the other speakers too. Oh man, thank you for that. Yeah, yeah, if they go to our website, R-F-O-R-H.com, they'll see events, they hit that events tab, and it has all of our speakers, schedules up there, and it's on the app as well, under events, you can hit that and you'll see all the speakers. And then as well on the app, if they go down to the very bottom, there's a word that says speakers, if they hit that, like I think it's like 17 of my full-length talks are up under my tab that you can watch, and it's all free. I mean, we give away so much on that, because we want people to have tools so that you'll get out and talk about Jesus Christ. In a world gone crazy, that needs to know there's another way. You know, the evidence, I believe, is compelling. But one of the most, for creation, the existence of God, the trustworthiness of the Bible, Jesus, morals, it doesn't matter any issue, folks. There is a biblical position and compelling evidence to support it. But Carl, I want you to comment on this with the time we have left. I showed this Sunday night as I spoke to youth in Eastern North Carolina. On the screen, I had the 60 Minutes interview with Dr. Mary Schweitzer, the kind of forensic paleontologist, bottom line fossils that look like rocks that were said to be 68 million years old And in 300 different fossil samples, she found wet tissue, moist tissue, blood vessels, collagen, I mean that. And interestingly, they said, this couldn't last more than six to 10,000 years. And they said, what about this? And the narrator says the rules of science are gonna have to be rewritten.

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    comment if you would on that or any of the other evidence that shows the cracks in the foundation of Darwinian evolution are growing. Oh, absolutely. I would encourage people to come with us on our dinosaur dig. I just finished it up two weeks ago. Next year, second week in June, we'll take you. Glendive Montana, you'll dig your own dinosaur bone. First time I went there, I found a bone and two years ago, I took that bone that I found down to uh... pauluxy river and lindrose taxes and they have two electron microscopes down there they cut off a very thin slice of the bone that i found put it under the electron microscope and they found inside my bone collagen blood plots it's not an abnormal thing now to find uh... blood cells uh... to find blood vessels to find collagen that is very normal in almost every dinosaur bone that is discovered if they do the testing they will find that there and that truly is a death male to millions of years. These dinosaurs that have millions of years ago because those were almost out of trouble. Forgive me I'm so sorry to buddy and but the earth could not be millions of years old. Well it's Carl Kirby of reasons for hope. Alex McPherl and here saying thanks for listening. Tell somebody about Jesus, stand strong, stay bold because God's word The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family Association or American Family Radio.

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