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Guest Host, Alex McFarland, is joined by Bunni Pounds, Christians Engaged President and Founder and Author of "Jesus and Politics."
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Darkness is not an affirmative force. It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light. This is the Hamilton Quarter on American Family Radio. It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite. Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media. And the philosophies of this world. God has called you and me to be his ambassador. Even in this dark moment. Let's not miss our moment. And now, the Hamilton Corner. Do you believe that Christians should be engaged in the political realm? What about pastors and clergy? Should they speak about moral, social, and political issues from the pulpit? We'll talk about this. We would love to hear your opinions on these things. But I'm excited about the show tonight because we're going to get really an expert opinion. We'll talk with Bunny Pound, the president and founder of Christians engaged in just a moment. moment but I do want to welcome everybody. Alex McFarland here so honored that attorney, pastor and broadcaster Abe Hamilton the third frequently allows me to sit in at his microphone if you recognize my voice it might be from a show that is four to five live every day four to five Eastern three to four central exploring the word now in its 16th year on the American Family Radio Network and we God the glory for that. Before we bring our guest on and we get into the topic, I've got to give a big shout out to Shiloh Christian Camp in Hewitt, New Jersey. That's where I am. Now when you think of New Jersey, you probably think of like Newark or some big metropolitan area, right adjacent to Manhattan, New York and believe me, it is. But the Garden State, it is appropriately named because there's a lot of rural, mountainous, beautiful area. And that's where I am. We're in our seventh and final youth camp of the summer. Up here with, oh, I don't know, 125, 135 kids. We will have had 1200 middle school and high schoolers in our camps this summer. And we've had over 150 kids pray to accept Christ. And you know, the thing about our camp, and please keep us in prayer this week, we teach kids about the Lord, obviously, about Jesus Christ and a biblical worldview, apologetics, how to defend the Christian faith. But we have kids say the Pledge of Allegiance, many teenagers with whom I speak, I and our staff.
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A lot of kids don't really know the Pledge of Allegiance. A lot of kids have never heard the Pledge of Allegiance. So we're all about God and country and I value everyone's prayers as I'm broadcasting the portable gear which is working I hope from the mountains of New Jersey. Well let's talk about something that I feel like is vitally important and that's Christians everywhere. Churches, the millions of American believers voting and the election is just 70 some days away and to weigh in on this and get some truly expert insight. Bunny Pounds as I said She's the founder of Christians Engaged. Give you a couple of websites here. One is BunnyPounds, B-U-N-N-I-P-O-U-N-D-S.com. BunnyPounds.com. And then also Christians Engaged, spelled just like it sounds, Christiansengaged.org. And she says that Christians are to be salt and light in the culture. We're not to be apathetic, but we're to be informed. We're to be engaged. And through our lives, God will use us to make a difference. Ms. Bunny Pound's Patriot and Force of Nature, thank you for being with us tonight on the American Family Radio Network. Well, it's an honor to be with you, Alex. And I've been a fan for a long time, so I'm glad we're finally together on some show. It's a blessing. Well, indeed, indeed. And tell us a little bit about your background. I know you've run for office, you're a graduate of Christ for the Nations and Dallas Baptist University and how did you come to be such an engaged Christian patriot? Well, I went to Bible school. I knew I had a call of God on my life to teach the Bible. I've always had an unquenchable thirst for scripture and the place of prayer. I thought I was going to be a missionary to Latin America and then my husband proposed over pancakes one day.
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He was my best friend and all of a sudden I am in America running a pest control company and having little babies and I'm like, what is happening with my life? And you know what the Lord showed me is, you know, I can complain about the apathy I felt in America. you know the other nations have a a more you know hunger for the word of God hunger for the gospel that we do sometimes here or I can take ownership of being in this country in this generation to be a missionary to America and frankly Alex we need more missionaries to America and that's hopefully up to many issues in our nation including the safety of human life issue really working within the pro life movement uh... beginning to work on campaigns and trying to get godly people elected going back to school getting my political science degree at dallas baptist and then working for members of congress and sixteen years of political consulting uh... wonderful let me ask you this where we are maybe eight or ten years ago is could you have envisioned this because some You know, let me put it this way. After the Obama years and the passage of the affordable, the I would argue misnamed Affordable Care Act, and there were so many things that were like leap frogs towards socialism, free funds, Obama funds, Obama care, and then Trump gets in and the economy becomes the greatest economy of anyone's lifetime. you know, employment rates are up, home starts are up, big ticket items are selling, consumer confidence and it looks great and in just four years it all came crashing down. And here we are and the disastrous presidency of Joe Biden. And let me just say to everybody, as Bonnie and I speak very frankly about the state of the country, I can say and I'm sure she would concur.
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Look, I pray for Joe Biden. I pray for Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. I pray for Kamala Harris. Lord knows I wish them no ill. I pray for their spiritual well-being. But we're talking about the America that we are stewards of. And we're not, in my opinion, we're not in a good place. Bunny, would you have ever thought that we would be at this juncture where a constitutional free republic is is legitimately at risk i i can imagine alex where we are i remember you know fifteen years ago lamenting about different policies or that were happening or the national debt continuing to be run up and christian's not paying attention to you know congressional spending or this or that or we can't get rid of earmarks my former boss jib has really fought against earmarks and congressional spending for years but i knew when the supreme court case came down uh... you know legalizing gay marriage i remember that day sitting at my desk just weeping and i could not uh... control it and i didn't know what was happening but i knew it's like this thing of intercession you know and people have always laughed at some of us and said you know that slippery slope thing that's not going to happen well it's happened before our eyes in very quick time period like what did gender ideology and all this stuff happen like when did we not know if our mail mail mail or cats i mean it's gotten insane right and i couldn't imagine sitting there crying at my desk over a decade ago that we would be where we are right now So I think the Christian that's not fully awake needs to go, what's going on in my soul?
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Why cannot I not discern the days and the times that we're living in? Bunny, I was in Mississippi this past week to speak. I mean, we're talking about Bible Belt USA, Heartland America, and a public school teacher was talking to me about the fact that in a Mississippi public school, a middle schooler identifies as a furry and demanded to be provided a litter box to use the bathroom in. And by the way, let me just say this, the book of Romans talks about when a culture rejects the true and living God, then it really dehumanizes people that rather than human beings being made in the image of God, they're reduced to animals. I mean, the idea that a human in an American public school would relieve themselves in a litter box that the school provides rather than risk a lawsuit by the ACLU. It just shows how we've lost our mind. I mean, America based on morality, natural law, insisting that natural law insisting that a child live and behave as a child, telling a person of any age, look, you're not a Furby, you're not a Furrie, you're not a feline, you're not transgender, you're a human being. That's not assault. To tell people truth and reality is not assault. But, Bunny, we're a nation that's lost the fortitude to call people back to truth and the rule of law. To a large degree, that's true, isn't it? Unfortunately, you're right. But there's a remnant arising, Alex. And I want to give people hope today because what I'm seeing is a whole generation. I know you're seeing this as well as you were talking about the camps you're in with these young people.
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a whole generation that's arising that is grabbing hold of the gospel that is wanting to go on an adventure with jesus they are tired of program christianity they're tired of complacency they're tired of not being discipled in the way they need to be discipled there they want to go and do something with their life i think as again as the darkness gets darker the light gets lighter and brighter and uh... don't give up church uh... god is doing something in the hour and four and a half years ago i was leading a very successful political consulting for my thirty two clients and nine people in my office i ran for congress at that point kind of blew up my life a little bit into a uh... run off you know uh... eight person primary into an eight person uh... a two-person runoff and a million dollars spent on both sides of my race over a million dollars. But at the end of that, the Lord specifically told me, as I'm going, God, what am I going to be when I grow up now? He said, I'm waking up my church in the days ahead, but they need accountability and they need systems to mobilize the awakening. And so with Christians engaged, our ministry, I started four and a half years ago, we are building systems to, as Christians, wake up and they don't know what to do, plug them into habits of prayer, voting and engagement where they can activate their family and friends for the long term. And I think over the next decade, we're going to see a shift in this country. Yes. and before we go too much further i want to mention your book jesus and politics i mean uh... working first of all i tell us the premise of the book and where people can find it well it's actually uh... intimacy with jesus book disguises the political book uh... it's really about my walk with god and walk in the presence of god in culture with members of congress uh... everybody's in there from vice president mike pen to send her to a cruise leaves out in shot that the jet and the link michael cloud so many members that i've had the opportunity to work for a be friends with uh... people in government that signed off on their stories being used in this book but i really didn't think i had a lot to tell uh...
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till i was like you know how can god use one person's life that's really the end people think their vote doesn't matter or their life being poured out in a career doesn't matter well for me i've had the opportunity for sixteen years to the cycle elected officials and a pray for a little unknown member of congress from indiana and speak words of god over his life and you know ten years later he's a vice president the united states you never know what's going to happen and what god's gonna do with your life i had a dream about somebody that was not part of my party uh... congressman beta or work And four months later, I share in the book, I'm standing in front of Beto, speaking the word of God over his life, that the Lord gave me. God wants to do things with ordinary people. And I hope my story and these crazy adventures of walking with God in politics inspires a next generation to rise up and be staffers, consultants, campaign managers to walk with these people of influence that need discipleship and need the word of God every day. You know, I'm so glad to hear you say these things because folks listen, no matter who you are, you might meet some elected officials someday, and like Bunny has done, speak God's word to them, or maybe not, but no matter who you are, no matter where you are, you can pray. And those prayers avail much, Galatians 6'9". Stay tuned, folks. Alex McFarland here, this is the Hamilton Corner, and we're going to take calls after this. We're talking with Bunny Pounds about the political teacher of America don't go away. According to a recent study of hundreds of poster board of women, 60% reported that they would have preferred to give birth if they had received more support from others or had more financial security. And that's where preborn steps in. Preborn is there for women in their darkest hour, deciding between the life and death of their precious child. You see, the reality is, women are being pressured to make this fatal decision and are being told that their babies are just a clump of cells.
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The huge left but we got going before us with the resources and the strategic ministry partners. We're now up to almost a hundred churches and national ministries joining us with us in that effort. So we're excited. Praise God. We could in the next 40 minutes, we could help you hit that million. So listeners lean in and listen up. How do Christians get engaged and become a part of that million people that God's called you to mobilize? Well, we've built the only 501c3 Christian ministry voter mobilization system, meaning we're tracking every election in the nation and we're pushing out reminders through text and emails to vote and to pray every Monday we send you a video and a scripture to do that. So people can go to our website at christiansengage.org and on that homepage there's a tab, take the pledge or it's all throughout our website, take the pledge to pray, vote, engage and take the pledge. Be one of those people that says, you know what, I'm not going to skip my local elections or my primary elections or those proposition elections ever again. And if Christians engage with to remind me when I'm a busy person, I will get it done and I will go do it and I will teach others to do the same thing. And then use your voice, influence people. So many ministry partners are putting it out in churches to activate their membership. We're so thankful to have people from Baptist churches, like Preston with Baptist in Dallas, upper room to so many different churches that are across the spectrum to mobilize people. So yeah, take the pledge to pray about and engage and share it with your family and friends. And let's get every believer in this nation praying, voting, and starting to get educated to make a difference. Give us a website and where people can sign up and begin to get engaged.
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Christians with an at Christians engaged.org Christians engaged.org take the pledge and also check out all of our amazing curriculum products as well to activate you on civics and biblical worldview regarding the upcoming presidential election. Now only seventy some days away. Do you encourage people to vote early or vote literally on election day? What do you think about early voting? I know some people who just tell me they feel like it won't be honestly tabulated. When do you feel is the most ideal time for people to vote? Well, I'll tell you this. I've been in closed-door meetings with some of the top conservative group organization leaders in the country and they are telling me that we are going to have one of the most secure elections we've ever had. The reality is that we've done a lot of work in the last four years and more Christians and more people are showing up as poll workers, election judges are tracking and making sure their counties are doing the right thing, that their states are doing the right thing. So and I'll repeat a line that Senator Ted Cruz says all the time. he says if every christian would vote in the station we would even be talking about election integrity or voter fraud because we would be dwarfing the boat or exactly we we we need to uh... protect our elections we all need to get involved in that fight but we need to get our christian friends out the polls like never before and uh... i i think we should vote early and vote often I think you don't want to take the chance of getting sick of something happening on election day. I think we all wait on a to per election day.
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We're going to lose, frankly, as a political consultant. I think we need to get out there and vote whenever it's convenient for our calendars, put it on your calendar and make a plan to vote. We're going to go to Oscar in Arkansas, our first college night. Hey, Bonnie, I have to tell you this. If it sounds like I'm boasting, may the Lord forgive me. But in 2016 and 2020, in my home state of North Carolina, in the Fentress Township Pleasant Garden Town Hall, my wife and I, I would get up at like 5 a.m. And I was first in line. Now, by the time the doors would open at like 7 a.m., there were 500 people in line. I'm from a very rural community, a lot of farmers, a lot of just, you know, salt of the Earth Americans. But at least at our polling place, they know Alex and Angie McFarland will be the first ones at the door when the door opens. And I love that. Hey, let's go to Arkansas. Oscar and Arkansas, thank you for holding and welcome to our program with our guest, Bunny Poundz. Hello, thank you for listening. So I have a question and someone, I mean, I consider more sometimes than a Christian, a follower of Jesus, the idea of law. And in some ways, my question goes to like how Christianity, in the beginning had to find ways to separate themselves from Judaism, because in some ways, the idea of law of unforgiveness that Jesus taught us, and tries to overtake with some revolutionary energy so over the idea of depth and better, of the idea of master and slave. And it seems that I feel that sometimes that dynamic, it's still alive today, it's still about wars, still about winners and losers. And sometimes I feel that at the stage that it's our country that the idea of depth is still not addressed by any president still keeps increasing as a problem.
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and the idea of the Federal Reserve and interest just being imposed on people without anything regardless of the party. And I mean. Hey Oscar, let me jump in here. Let me let Ms. Pound's respond. Are you kind of basically asking, how do we reconcile our biblical Christian beliefs and just political involvement when the political world is so often not. Yes, when we did the heritage of our political world or institutions are before Christianity and Christianity, China, merged in a little human way, where we have the Greek ideas, we have the Roman things. And today we're still using those institutions. And sometimes maybe I'm pessimistic. I feel that voting is also keeping that system going and just hoping that some minor changes from minor things and will eventually lead us to the profound change that i think we need okay great bunny would you speak to this yeah uh... you know we know from the founding of our history in here in america you know the founders gave a gift in our constitution that we get to elect our representatives i think we can all agree as american christians were thankful we don't live in vinisuela cuba or north korea so we as that we the people have a responsibility to do something but you're right like as a christian uh... that's been engaged in government for a long time i remember working for my boss financial services chairman jeb hinserling as he lamented to all the republicans that nobody was paying attention to the federal reserve no one was paying attention to taxpayer funded uh... you know executive branch continuing to grow, the national debt continuing to grow, that there's spending issues on both sides of the aisle. I think what we have to do as individuals is we have to be obedient to what God's called us to and the issues we're called to champion and try to stir people towards those.
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It's not a perfect system, nothing is, but it's the best in the world. if we sit back and do nothing uh... that we are pretty much giving up to to think some of those reforms happen that we desire you know bunny i've got your book jesus and politics it's excellent i recommend it another book that has really deeply influence my life is by eight uh... legitimately brilliant writer that i've known for almost twenty years kneel mom uh... m a m m e and kneel mom and wrote a book called Jesus is involved in politics. And I don't recommend books lightly. Are you familiar with that book at Albany? I'm not, but I'm going to have to go look it up. Neil Mommen is an Indian PhD, lives in Silicon Valley. He's a computer programmer, IT, brilliant, brilliant guy. I mean, he's right on everything. He's a biblical, born-again Christian, pro-life, pro-family. He loves America. He came here. His family migrated here. And he is written an absolutely superb book demonstrating how, listen to this, folks, when Jesus dialogues with the Sanhedrin and the Sadducees and the Pharisees, Momma documents how Israel at the time of Christ had a standing police force. Jesus was essentially engaging the senators and congressmen of his time, the Sanhedrin, the Pharisees. And so he makes a compelling case, an incredibly scholarly case for not only the early church, the time of Christ, throughout history and of course, 248 years of American life, how Christians should be engaged in politics. And I'll say this, we're gonna go back to our cause, but it's like Augustine said, until we are in the city of God, we have an obligation to be salt and light in the city of man.
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And I, Bunny, I think you make that point very powerfully as well. How about we go to Virginia, Holly from Virginia, the Commonwealth of Virginia. Holly, are you there? I'm here. Nice to speak with you. Thanks for holding. I have a comment and then a question. My comment is when people talk about the Democrat National Convention for the Party, a lot of times they say Democratic, but it's not Democratic. It's the Democrat. I think by just adding the IC to the end of it, it gives a twist to it all. It's not democratic. And I hear this repeated through news on both sides, people riding on both sides. I was led to listen to Jenna the supporting, but she said the Democrat National Convention. So that's just something that I think that we need to look into, that we're not calling them or referring to the other party as a democratic party. Right. That's just the side note. But the biggest thing is talking to a friend this morning is very, very intelligent and we were discussing searches getting involved with that. Holly you're breaking up a little bit. Speak to this if you would bunny about the party that ostensibly or the guardians of democracy are sitting forth their candidate in a very undemocratic way, aren't they? Yeah, it's a real interesting procedure that they've got. Maureen Dowell called it a coup. Yeah, it's an interesting dynamic. Yeah, as far as churches getting involved in politics, I've talked to probably 150 pastors in the last year and a half.
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Every pastor in this country can talk about pray, vote, engage without splitting their church. A lot of them are going to make up excuses. I'm worried about quote unquote separation of church and state at the farce. I'm worried about the Johnson amendment. That's a paper tiger. No pastor in a pulpit has to endorse candidates. They can endorse their friends if they want. Nobody's going to stop them. The IRS is not going to do anything. we were actually the ministry that was denied our tax-exempt status back in two thousand twenty one and became national news because the ira sent me a letter saying we're denying christians engage your tax-exempt status because bible teachings are typically affiliated with the republican party in canada quote in the end quote uh... that caused a whole ruckus in the country because they went on to say because we were teaching on the same day of human life physical justice, debt and taxation, Israel, these things are inherently Republican, therefore you're not nonpartisan. Well, if we hadn't fought that with our friends at First Liberty Institute, that could have affected every church and ministry in America if the IRS couldn't define Bible teachings as one party or over the other. What we're doing though is educating Christians to do their research. to each political party stands for. When you're electing a candidate, they're going to go vote with their leadership. What are they going to be voting for? When you're hiring a president, you're hiring somebody that's going to hire the entire executive branch, put in 250 plus federal judges. And probably this time, put in another three Supreme Court vacancies that we're probably going to have in the next four years. These are huge decisions for Christians and we have to help them navigate that and pastors can do that in a nonpartisan, unthreatening way. Alex McFarland here our very special guest Bunny Pound's Joshua, Joe, Anthony, Texas, Ohio, North Carolina. We've got collars. We will do our best to get to you. Stay tuned the American Family Radio Network. The Hamilton Corner is back after this. Don't go away. The Hamilton quarter podcast and one-minute common territories are available at aFR.net back to the Hamilton Quarter on American Family Radio.
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Bunny Pounds is busy for God and country. Let me refer you to one of our websites which is Christiansengaged.org. Christians with an Sengaged.org. And also before we return to the callers, Bunny, first of all thanks for being with us tonight. But there's been a recent merger with the Family Policy Alliance. Tell us about that and what is the work with the Family Policy Alliance? Yeah, Family Policy Alliance was started 20 plus years ago by Dr. James Dobson. It used to be focused on the family action. And Dr. Dobson had a vision of creating family policy councils in all 50 states that would champion pro-life legislation, pro-family legislation, and religious liberty. And so we currently have 41 family policy councils, and Christians engaged is now their church and civic engagement ministry. So the brand, our ministry that we've set up, our voter mobilization system, our communications, curriculum all remains the same but we're going to be able to scale within the family policy councils and work with the pastors and churches that they know on the ground. It's a big big development. There are many Christians listening probably some clergy as well. What would you like to see happen and I mean time is short but there is time. There's a window for people who believe in the Constitution, Christian values to make a difference. Ideally, best case scenario, what would you like to see the 100 million American Christians do in the next few weeks? I would like to see every American Christian go adopt a candidate in their city, in their state, in their county, go find one candidate that you can support, give them money, volunteer for them, help them get the vote out, and get in their life.
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You know, when I was running for Congress, the 120 plus volunteers I had that blocked walked for me, that went out and did things for me, became some of my closest friends today. If you want to make an influence on elected official or Candid's life, go get in their life right now in the next 90 plus days and watch how God can use you in their life and also in your community to elect righteous leaders. Amen. uh... well well said let's go to josh what in texas josh what you're on with our guest bunny pounds they uh... i'll do today blessed good to have you great all right well so i got i got kind of a question well i i kind of want to be uh... i know i'm not the only person that's predicament there's there's there's things that that Trump says that, I mean, it makes me cringe. And then there's things that Kamala does that just makes me sick. And it's kind of like I'm caught in this limbo of, why should I even go and vote for either one of these? And then, you know, it's just, there's a constant conflict of both. and it's i know i can't have the perfect candidate and i know i can't have the the perfect ideal person to be in the spot that would be jesus anyhow what that's not going to be for until he decides he wants to come back you know this but let me just think about you're thinking about this in a logical way you're you're seeing the reality of what bothers you about different personalities but We have, this is the problem, elections have consequences.
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And elections are about making decisions, right? We don't have the candidates, some of us, you know, might not have voted for Trump in the primary. We voted our conscience of the leader that we wanted. But now we have to vote our conscience now based on party platforms about principles, about the people they're gonna hire, about the judges they're gonna put in, right? So yes, we have to deal with some of those things in dealing with Trump's personality or this or that. But I wanna remind you also about all the down ballot races that are underneath those. Who are your senators and members of Congress that need your vote, your county officials, your share up, your county commissioners, all the other people. There's not just a presidential election going on here, folks. There are 20 or 30 races probably on each one of your ballots that need your research and need your participation. And so you've got to think about the whole big picture. Will said, Will said, let's go to Joe, you know, hi, Joe, thanks for holding. Welcome to our conversation with Bunny Pound. Hi, thank you for taking my call and thank you, Bonnie, for your ministry and all your hard work. I tuned into the program late so you may have covered some of it earlier. First of all, I'd like to ask if either one of you or both of you have seen the movie 2000 Mules. Second question, have the weak, spineless Republicans put enough safeguards in place so we don't wake up on Wednesday morning and see the comma Harris got 85 million votes when knowing in reality she probably only got 60 million. I heard you mention Mike Pence in your book. I'm not sure what the relationship is with him, but in my humble opinion, the liberals played him like an absolute drama on January 6 letting the protesters into the White House when he was supposed to be confirming or sort of find the votes.
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And lastly, that last call just made me think of something else, 95% of the media is liberal. And so many of Trump's comments are taking out a context. If they played over and over again, like he, they said he said there's good people on both sides in Charlottesville. That was taken out of context, been debunked. The one time, the COVID, they said, can't people just drink bleach? As a sarcastic comment, and that was taken out of context. Oh yeah, yeah. Hey Joe, let us jump in here for a minute. Regarding the film, 2000 Mules, my longtime friend of 20 years, Dinesh D'Souza made that film. It was about election fraud in the 2020 election. It's a good movie, 2000 mules. Dinesh is great. He and I have been in countless events over the last 17, 18 years, and I hope to have him in our fall 2025 apologetics worldview conference. But let's zoom in on one thing if we could, Bunny, about the color ask, have the Republicans done enough about the certain voter fraud attempts that we can expect from the Democrats this fall. What do you think about that bunny? I think we have come so far in four years and I want to encourage everybody. As I said earlier in the program, I've been in closed door meetings with the top level organization leaders in the country from America. policy institute to heritage foundation to people that are really working on this issue day and night. One of my former clients, Lee Zeldin, is leading the election integrity and election mobilization for America first. So there's a lot going on and the experts I've heard from have said we're gonna have some of the most secure elections we've ever had in this country. You know So individual citizens have been checking and cleaning up the voter rolls in our counties.
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Higher state legislatures around the country have been passing laws because of citizens getting evolved to make sure that the 2020 fiasco does not happen again. So I think we're in a really, really good place. I want to encourage people to go out there and mobilize people to vote right now. And above all folks, I know it's easy to say, but I'm completely serious. Pray. Have your churches pray. Because we know Almighty God can rule and overrule. Anthony from North Carolina, my home state. Anthony, you're on with our guest, Bunny Pounds. Yes, thank you for taking my call. My question is with a comment, really. To me, this election is kind of similar to the 2016 Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. And I want the bad thinking that Hillary had won and woke up in Donald Trump had won. So a lot of people feel like a lot of Christians think that just because God knows who's gonna win, why should I vote? That doesn't make sense. Well, you know, if the Bible teaches two things, clearly it's the sovereignty of God, but also the responsibility of man. And, and, Bunny, wouldn't you agree? I know part of one of the reasons I appreciate you so much is that you are very politically astute, but I know you are very faithful to the Lord Jesus and His Word. And it's like I've heard people say, you know, God is providential, but we are responsible to do what we can do. So we do have a duty to do the right, don't we? We do, Alex. And all throughout the New Testament, you hear that, hey, they're not going to hear unless a preacher goes and brings the gospel. Blessed are the beautiful feet of those who share good news, right?
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Nobody's going to hear the good news of who Jesus is if you and I don't open our mouths and preach the gospel and tell them the good news. The same thing is leaders don't get miraculously put into office. is people showing up to the polls. I want to remind people every vote matters. There was a city councilman that lost his election in Washington state last year, late last year, by one vote. He lost that race by one vote. And you know who he forgot to vote for? He forgot to vote for himself. He did not vote and he lost that election, right? So one vote makes a difference. we've had state represses in Texas where, you know, a state representative or primary race that was decided by 40 votes, 42 votes. These things, especially in these battleground states guys, this presidential election is not over. You know, people thought when Trump had his assassination attempt, it's over, I'm claiming victory, it's not over. And a lot of these battleground states are gonna be one by a thousand votes here or a thousand votes there. We have to show up in every realm. Let's go to Beverly in Oklahoma, Beverly. Welcome to the program. It's about now that I'm wishing we had a second hour, but Beverly, you're on. Hi, I'm interested in a resource that compares the platforms to the Bible to show the biblical stances. It seems like on the website. that's why I thought, can you explain that a little bit to all everybody? Yes, we have an incredible resource. It's called the biblical comparison to the party platforms. Go to our amazing website, christiansengaged.org. Go to the very home page, put in your email and you'll get that for free. It's 21 pages and we go through 20 different issues. My incredible vice president, Ben Quine, helped me put that together. It's based on the platform last time is the one that was up there for the primary but we've got the new one coming out in the next week with once now that the Democrat platform is out we can update that for the general election so yeah it's an amazing product so check back with that and then also we have state resource pages for every state so check that out and take the pledge to pray vote and engage and that'll get you in our system.
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Oh, bunny. All our resources. For churches and listen, I had a pastor, major, major pastor out west asked me for this yesterday, do you have a PowerPoint slide that like one slide that would be the basic overview of the DNC versus the RNC platforms? Is there that sort of a resource out there somewhere? I don't have one slide, but again, we go through every issue. the bible says what marxism says with the democrat platform the republican platform says and all quote on our on our document so uh... they can pull from that and they can take that but we we felt like we need to do a more comprehensive doctor for people and again uh... the website where that may be found is christians engage dot work christians with an s engaged with a d dot work on the home page let's go to larry from north carolina probably the last caller larry at quickly if you don't mind sure i was going to hear me okay yes you're on okay i use uh... unused a parable of the talents when it comes to voting we'll look at it is if you don't vote it's like the man who bared is telling the ground because that's your voice that's your talent wonderful also if you if you vote for someone to somebody who cannot win you you write what he did you don't like trump that he is also bearing your vote in the ground leery thank you for saying that you know in the last election i had several friends say well i'm gonna write in billy graham in the apostle pot will that might feel good but that's a waste of a vote but we've got forty five seconds maybe give us some final thoughts and and a a call to action have hope christians walk with jesus every day love him he's the only thing that really mattered but go out and be leaders because we are the answer. The body of Christ is the hands and feet of Jesus and we have the answers for our society. Amen. Bunny, B-U-N-I, bunnypounds.com.
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Christiansengaged.org. Hey, thanks. I hope we can converse again soon. You're a great resource and I thank you, Bunny. Thank you, Alex. Love being with you. Indeed, folks. We're gonna be up in just an hour in front of 150 teenagers. So I value your prayers. I'll be back tomorrow on exploring the word and the Hamilton corner. In the meantime, pray for America. May God bless you.