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    Darkness is not an affirmative force. It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light. This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio. It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite. Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media. And the philosophies of this world. God has called you and me to be his ambassador. Even in this dark moment. Let's not miss our moment. And now, the Hamilton Corner. Well, good evening America. Alex McFarland here is so honored to be sitting in for Abe Hamilton, the third attorney, pastor, broadcaster on the Hamilton Corner. And you're listening to the American Family Radio Network. And we have got a very special show tonight. We're going to talk about Israel. And we've got an expert on whom you'll meet in just a moment. And we will take calls and questions if you've got some questions about the status of the Middle released right now and frankly the security of the nation of Israel or other related questions we will get to calls in a few moments. But I welcome you as you may know if you listened last night we had a great show Bunny Pound's last night of Christians engaged was our guest. But I was coming to you not from my home state of North Carolina or Tupola, Mississippi, the ground zero, the headquarters of the American Family Radio Network. I was coming to you as I am again tonight from New Jersey. We're in the final days of our last summer camp of the summer, Biblical World View, and I appreciate everybody's prayers. And so I'll be flying out of Edison, no, Newark, New Jersey tomorrow morning early heading back to North Carolina. It's an honor to be with you tonight. And let me kind of queue this up by telling you, I just got off the stage, I was in front of 125 middle school and high schoolers.

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    And it was open Q&A. And, you know, at summer camp, Christian camp, they've got all kinds of questions. But the last 30 minutes, middle school and high schoolers, were asking about Israel. And many go to public school. And some had questions, and it was just precious, and I was sharing what I believe is a biblical position. But they were asking, why does it seem like some of the teachers they have are so against Israel, and these kids, though they didn't know the term anti-Semitism, were asking basically, how do we deal with the reality of anti-Semitism? And so even teenagers are thinking about the attacks of last October. Teenage Girl brought up the Hamas attacks of last October. So it's important to be informed and to know what's going on. And with that in mind, I'm very excited to bring as a guest tonight from the Joseph Project International. We're going to talk with Joel Chernoff. He is the founder of the Joseph Project International, the founder executive board chairman, and things like the power grid and the well-being of the state of Israel, and also questions like this, because even as we do this program in Chicago, the DNC has anti-Israel protesters, violence, one person has died already. You know, somebody asked me, because I was at the RNC, What's the difference between the DNC and the RNC? Well, there were no homicides at the RNC in Milwaukee a month ago. But there's a lot of static and so much of what is going on now, and certainly so much of what hangs on the election in November, relates to Israel, America's relationship, stability in the Middle East, and ultimately the safety of the entire world.

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    to help us weigh in on this and get some insights. Joe will turn off of the Joseph Project International. Mr. Turnoff, thanks for being with us tonight on the American Family Radio Network. Thank you so much and God bless you and shallow to all of your listeners. Blessings to you as well. First, what is the Joseph Project International? The Joseph Project International is a humanitarian aid society or charity based headquartered in Israel in the Jerusalem region. Joseph Project has put over $170 million worth of aid from Christians all over the world and some Messianic Jews. Of course, I am a Messianic Jew. I also serve as the CEO and general secretary the Messianic Jewish Alliance of America, which is the largest organization with the authority who speak for the Messianic community in the world. The Joseph Project was founded as a result of a prophetic word the Lord gave me in 1996 when we were a very small organization with no money really, and not that much strength. But it was a prophetic word that was in the near future. God was going to bring over a million more Jewish people from Eastern Europe and Russia back to Israel in a time with great trouble and terror. And that Israel would not be prepared. And Israel would need help. And so the Lord in this word was saying that he was commissioning the Messianic Jewish community in partnership with Christians around the world like Joseph prepared for the famine in ancient Egypt. We are to prepare a blessing on the soil of Israel for this event that is coming And until that comes, build the infrastructure necessary and meet urgency along the way, like Ovidi War, other things that are coming up. That was in 1996.

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    It took us three years to get going. By 2000, we were shipping goods into Israel from Christian charities. And today we are the largest, the Joseph Patrick International is the largest importer of humanitarian aid in the state of Israel. Wonderful. My goodness. Well, what an amazing ministry God has raised up through your obedience. I've got so many questions. I'm sure many listeners do as well. But before we go too far and we'll do this a few times in the hour, but what is your website, Joel? That would be www.JosephProject.org. JosephProject.org. That is www.JosephProject.org. You know, for American Christians, you know, some are very dialed in and care deeply about issues related to the nation of Israel. I do. But what would you, and first of all, let me say what an honor it is to speak to you as a messianic Jewish individual. I mean, I think it's great honor. But what should American citizens and American Christians, what would you want them to know about Israel that maybe they don't know? Well, I think that it's extremely important that believers, whether they're Jewish or non-Jewish Christians and Messian Jews need to know the prophetic contour of events leading up to the Messiah's second comment because you don't want to find yourself on the wrong side of God's purposes and plans and it's very easy because the world is pushing Christians who bow the knee to a more secular view into an anti-Israel view, which is quite amazing, this irrational phenomenon. But the scripture is quite clear. God is quite clear about the end of days, about the days leading up to his second coming, and that all prophetic events rotate and surround the state of Israel.

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    promises to restore physically and spiritually the nation of Israel, all of Israel will be saved and then you show what Jesus is coming back. He says that himself. He says he will not return until we say, blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. And so it's very, very important that believers understand the times and the seasons so they are not swept up into movements that put them at odds with God's purposes and plan. You know Joel I know you and I are just now getting acquainted but I just have an idea you and I would make real good friends. I was debating an atheist at a college and during the Q&A he said, you know, give me one thing that could persuade me that there's a supernatural realm. I mean, there's a lot I could say, but he said, just give me one thing that should make me think there's God in the supernatural. I said, I'll do it in one word, Israel. I believe Israel and like you said, the trajectory of end times, but just the trajectory of the Jewish people throughout history, May 14, 1948, the rebirth of the modern state of Israel. If you agree, and I'm sure that you probably do, that Israel is a miracle, tell the listeners why that might be so. Well no other people, no other group of people have ever been historically dispersed out of their original homeland, let's say, and then brought back and reestablished as a nation again, has never happened in history until 1948, when Israel was reestablished after being out of the land for almost 2000 years, they started to trickle back into the land of Israel from Eastern Europe in the late 1880s, 1890s, and finally the Zionist movement started Herzl, who many believe was in Messianic Jew. That whole movement happened, but not until 1948 was the nation of Israel born again. And that was a miracle that has never happened. In fact, it probably would never happen again, given the state of the United Nations. The United Nations voted the state of Israel back into existence. That of course took an act of God and was born out of the ashes of the Holocaust.

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    That tragedy, unbelievable tragedy, put the world in the frame of mind to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Israel, not in Uganda, not in some other place, but in the historical biblical land of Israel in fulfillment of prophecy. Just like God said, it would happen in the latter days. And so that is a miracle that has never happened for that's the first thing that I tell people what's never happened before in 1948. At the time of Israel's rebirth in 1948, did people around the world at that time, or at least people who believe the Bible, did they say, oh my goodness, this is prophecy right before our very eyes. This, the clock of end times prophecy is now ticking. Did people recognize the significance back in 1948 to your knowledge? Yes, yes. Many, many believers did, of course. Many, many evangelical believers in particular, tens of millions were extremely excited because they knew the Word of God. And they knew that there were certain prophetic events that were to take place only in the latter days just prior to the Messiah's return. So they immediately locked in on the fact that this event was prophetic and that they've signaled at the very least nobody knew how long it was going to be, but signaled that we had passed into the period called the end of days, the latter days, all of those events that were to take place in that period of time leading up to the Messiah's return. Now of course a lot of others, a lot of other people in the world really were not operating on that prophetic tangent.

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    They were thinking, well, you know, six million Jews died in the ovens of Germany, and they deserve a place to live and a safe place to call them home. But those were secular people, not necessarily believers, but I can tell you, tens of millions of believers understood what that meant. Sure, sure. Alex McFarland here, we're talking with Joel Chernoff, the president of Jordan Project International. When we get back, we're going to talk about the humanitarian aid and the power grid stability, visual, threatened by Hamas and Hezbollah. The number, AAA 589-8840, if you want to call in with a question for myself or our guests, Joel Turnoff. This is the American Family Radio Network, the Hamilton Corner, so honored your listening, stay tuned, much more content, your calls and questions, and more. Don't go away. I'd like to take a minute and have a heart to heart with you. If you're able, place your hand over your heart. Can you feel it? My strong heartbeat reminds me that I'm alive. See it's the same for an unborn baby. The heart begins to form at conception and at just three weeks is already beating. At five weeks, a baby's heart can be heard on an ultrasound. That's where preborn steps in, rescuing 200 babies every day from abortion by simply providing a mother with a free ultrasound and allowing her to hear her child's heartbeat and see their perfectly formed body in the womb. By six weeks eyes are forming. By 10 weeks, a baby is able to suck his or her thumb. Preborn needs our help to save these precious babies. For just $28, you could be the difference between the life or death of a baby. All gifts are tax deductible to donate, just dial pound 250 and say the key word baby.

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    That's pound 250 baby. or donate securely at preborn dot com that's preborn dot com light into the darkness this is the hamilton court an american family radio welcome back to the program you know alex mcfarlane here along with our very special guest joel turnoff of the joseph project international i want to make sure i say it correctly the joseph project international and the website, by the way, is josephproject.org. I make no apology about it. I'm very much pro-Israel. I think the church should care about the Jewish people. And I really do believe, you know, Joel, I've been privileged to know a lot of people in the military, not bragging. It's just a fact I've known quite a few people that worked at the Pentagon. I've spoken at Fort Bragg and NORAD out in Colorado, and the folks that I've known that are in the US military will be quick to tell you the stability of the world depends on Israel. And by extension, our relationship with Israel. So I mean, I care about all these issues as a Christian, but I would appeal to citizens, They should care about Israel and Israel's right to exist if for no other reason just out of care about the stability of the world and peace in the Middle East. Would you agree? Yeah, the Scripture is very, very clear and God is very, very clear throughout the Scripture that Israel is at the center of his prophetic plan for the entire planet.

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    The devil understands this Satan, Satan understands this. And that's why he hates the Jewish people first. And then a close second are true believing Christians. But he absolutely hates Israel because he knows that his fate ultimately is tied up in Israel. Why? Because Israel's redemption is the precursor event to the second coming of the Messiah, Yeshua Jesus. And he wants to destroy the nation of Israel, improve God to be a liar and weak. He is still contending for King of the universe. He is still contending for that. He thinks he can win, but he can't, obviously. But that's what deception is all about. You can be self-doubt to see. So obviously, anti-Semitism, if you think about it, Alex, we have been watching the unbelievable growth of anti-Semitism through anti-Israel sentiment around the world and unbelievably even in this country. It's not rational. There's only 8 to 10 million people in Israel. There's only 7 million Jews and there's 350 million mostly hostile Arab Muslims that have sought since the foundation of the state of Israel to destroy it. So it is an irrational situation but that's because it's spiritual. It's a spiritual situation. You know Joel you know having spoken or debated or done Q&A at 200 American universities even some Christian universities. I've often thought about this and you hit the nail on the head. The animosity against the Jewish people is irrational. Joe, I've been at colleges all over America and professors just have this visceral anger just about Israel and if a person like myself advocates for the right of Israel to self-defense or the the state of visual has the right to exist.

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    Just this, and I'm not trying to be brazen people, but it's Jew hatred, and there's no explanation for it. I mean, not the largest country in the world, certainly not the largest demographic of people. And I've often asked audiences, I'm like, look, why this knee jerk animus against Jewish people? I mean, it's inexplicable apart from a spiritual explanation, isn't it? Yes, it is absolutely irrational. Everybody knows it, who is thinking at all, whether they are a believer or not. I am just amazed at watching different pundits like Piers Morgan and so many others that are trying to wrestle with it. Why is the anti-Semitism growing like this? They were just attacking Gaza and slaughtered and babies slaughtered. And obviously, Israel has to go and clean that out or it's gone to or it's going to happen again and again and again. Yet it is as if the world wants it to happen again and is siding with the terrorists against Israel, it makes no sense for any other country. No other country would put up with it, not the least is the United States. We would not put up with people crossing our border and slaughtering our citizens without extremely strong response to put that issue away. Yet that is not how the world is judging the situation in Israel. That shows you right off the bat that this is a spiritual equation and not a rational political equation. I want to get some calls. Let's go first to Texas. Mark from Texas, thanks for holding. Welcome to AFR and our conversation with Joel Turnoff.

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    So much. So as I'm listening to you guys, I'm thinking about America's involvement with Israel over the last 30 or 40 years. And it brought them on the book, Eye to Eye, by William Konegg facing the consequences of dividing Israel. And whenever there's a land deal made where Israel loses land and the US has been involved, there's been a natural disaster that that has happened in the US, some kind of weather disaster that can only be explained by God doing something. And it's always right after one of those deals has been made. Have you had any experience with that book or read the book or heard people talk about it? Yeah, I know Bill is a great journalist. But Joel, speak to this because I know the observation of which the caller speaks. Yes, Bill is a friend also, to me, a long time friend of the Messianic Jewish community. But yeah, I mean, look, we saw it when they gave away Gaza when Sharon was basically arm twisted by President Bush to give that Gaza in an attempt to get peace. And of course the terrorist took it over immediately and turned it and just destroyed it and turned it into a terror haven. And a base to launch terrorist attacks. And as we see the end result of this in Gaza. At the same time, as soon as they leveled Gaza, this is the terrorist leveled it. and Bill points this out, we were hit with two major hurricanes, category four or five, I forget which ones it were, that hit the Gulf Coast and leveled the Gulf Coast.

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    I mean leveled it to where it looked like Gaza. So yeah, I see Bill's point. I don't doubt that there are consequences for people, people, nations, leaders that force Israel to do things in this period, the latter days that are against God's purposes and plans. There will be consequences. Amen. Amen. That's what I've said. And folks, look, as we go to the polls come November, I've said this, I'll say it to my dying breath. greatest favor any president can ever do the american people is to be a good friend to the nation of israel uh... let's go to uh... larry from kansas larry thank you for holding welcome to our conversation with joe turnoff well thank you so much for taking my call uh... i tell you the reason i'm calling has to do with uh... i was listening to a re-broadcast of exploring the bible and you mentioned uh... in there romans eleven twenty five And I think that just fits so nicely with what you're talking about today. And you know what that says? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Romans 1125 Paul says this for I would not brethren that you should be ignorant of this mystery, unless you should be wise in your own conceit that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved. I also mentioned, and thank you for bringing this up, but in verse 29, speaking of the fact, because part of this, and Joel, I'll throw it to you, but I've had younger pastors sometimes that are like very reformed or replacement theology. Those that will, when Israel, not all, but to a large degree, they missed the Messiah.

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    the promises the Abrahamic covenant was nullified. No, Romans 1129, for the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. And so one day, I believe this in Joel, you certainly correct me if I'm wrong or there are gaps in my knowledge of the Scriptures about Israel. One day Israel will occupy their land in a state of belief. Am I right on understanding the Scriptures that way? Yes. The spiritual restoration of Israel mimics or parrots the physical restoration of Israel. As you see with the physical restoration of Israel, God promised our people he would gather us again. He doesn't say he's going to gather gather us because we are perfect in faith. Everybody has accepted Yeshua, excepted. No, he says, it's simply, I am going to gather you. Now that gathering has been a process. It started in the late 1880s. It has been gradually evolving. There's been a roll call of nations. God has called our people back from all of the era of nations. He's called him back from Russia. He will one day call our people back from the United States, but there has been a roll call of nations where God has brought our people home. In the same way spiritually, the modern day revival of our Jewish people is a process. This isn't happening all in one instant. This is where dispensationalists stumble over this because they think every Jewish person is going to be saved right at the end. And they're confused by the outpouring of the Spirit that has already been happening for 70 years upon our Jewish people.

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    And now, even from traditional Jewish sources, they ask to make just in the United States alone. There are between 1.5 million to 2 million messianic Jews. Now, it's not the whole nation yet, but it has gone from a little tiny remnant to a substantive minority. And that minority, which is what I represent, is now making major contributions to the state of Israel and its survival through the Joseph Project International. This is a partnership of Messianic Jews and Christians from all over the world who are sending goods to us on 40 foot containers on ships. Now almost $170 million worth. This is a partnership, a messianic project with Christians who have such broad shoulders and a lot of resources are partnering with us. Our people, as they see that happening, are beginning to see the Jewish olive tree Paul talks about in the book of Romans 9, 10, and 11. He talks about that Jewish olive tree. The root is Jewish, the trunk is Jewish, and the nations are grafted in. And our people see Jew and Gentile working together, loving each other, and it's Jewish. It resonates prophetically, and that has the power to change the heart of the nation. National. It is a national approach to the revival or the spiritual restoration of Israel. Indeed, Iris in Texas, by the way, the number of folks is 858-988-40. you have a question or comment. But Iris from Texas, you're on. Well, thank you. And I've been a Jewish believer for 44 years over half of my life. And I was raised in a traditional Jewish family, both my parents and men to Israel twice. And my question is, I have heard that the greatest number of Messianic youth are in Israel now. That's part one is that true. And number two is and also that the war affect that of people moving to Israel.

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    And also, is it still very difficult for a Jewish believer to move to Israel? Good question. So Joel, what do you say? Well to the first question, most Messianic Jews and the Messianic Jewish revival really started outside of Israel, wherever Jewish people were outside of Israel, starting in the United States with the Jesus people revival of the late 60s and 70s. Tens of thousands of Jewish young hippie kids came to faith quite supernaturally. Most of them had supernatural experiences. So most Most of the Messianic Jewish congregations, most of the Messianic Jews are either in Messianic synagogues or they are in churches or they are just drifting about. There is a growing movement of Messianic Jews inside of Israel, but its numbers are still relatively limited. Might be between 50 to 75,000 in Israel that can be counted. But we know that they are steadily coming in from Russia, from the United States. They are immigrating to Israel. But the other question is it still difficult for Messianic Jews to have great answer can be yes. It is still difficult. There are laws on the books that are directed at us to keep us out. However, Messianic Joseph find being ways to integrate anyway. And there's a growing number of Sabra Messianic that is Jewish people. Oh, sorry. Forgive me, Joel. We've got to pull out for break. Alex McCrallen here, Joel Turnoff of the Joseph Project International, the website JosephProject.org.

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    We'll talk more about this after this brief break. The Hamilton Corner on the American Family Radio Network is back after this. The Hamilton Quarter Podcast and One-Minute Common Terrets are available at AFR.net. Back to the Hamilton Quarter on American Family Radio. We're going to rejoin our conversation with Joel Turnoff here in a moment, but I want to make people aware of my own website for a second. AlexMcFarland.com, as you may know, I have the privilege five days a week live with Bert Harper. We have exploring the word on the American Family Radio Network, and we're just wrapping up the book of Nehemiah. Monday we start the book of Romans. We also take calls and questions. But my speaking tour, where I'm going to be, is on my website, AlexMcFarlane.com. And if you would like, I'm brazen, shameless self-promotion here. But if you would like to do an apologetics event in your church, as we've had the privilege of being in hundreds of churches around the country. Just go to my website, AlexMcFarlane.com. I speak to a lot of youth, a lot of college students. We want to help people of all ages, but especially young people understand and embrace a biblical worldview. We've done countless events in every conceivable context. Please check out what we're doing at AlexMcFarlane.com. Also, let me encourage you to check out Joseph Project.org spelled just like it sounds. Joseph Project really is an incredible relief effort that brings international aid, food, clothing, blankets, medical supplies, and more directly to families in Israel as well as orphanages, hospitals, rehab centers. They help both Jews and Arabs. And the founder is with us now, Joel Turnoff. And you know, you and I are just getting acquainted, but it's truly a privilege and Godspeed and every blessing on the work that you're doing, Joel.

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    Thank you so much. Did you ever, were you ever around in the 70s or were you acquainted with the music group Lamb, L-A-M-B? I know of them. Yes, I've heard their music. That was a little before my time. I became a believer in the 80s. But yes, I was familiar. Tell the listeners about that. Would you? Well, I was just curious. That was actually, there were two of us in the group, Lamb. Our apex years were in the 70s. We were probably in the top three groups in the country when we came out with recordings. It was different. There was, it was pop. it was bulk rock, but it was also Jewish sounding. A little bit of Hebrew in there and so forth. And the kids loved it. And so we were always in the top three groups. We sang all the way through the 70s and the 80s. And before the group, Lam stopped touring in 1992. But that was actually, I was full-time in music ministry for 20 years as a professional recording artist in the contemporary Christian field but being messianic. Sure sure you know you and I over the break we were talking about some mutual friends we had like the the late Barry leventh all great Bible scholar when I first went on the American Family Radio Network, this was way back in 2009 at the privilege of interviewing Moshe Rosen of Jews for Jesus. So here's my question. In the late 60s, in the 70s, many, many, many Jewish people became believers in Jesus. I really think that was a supernatural work of God that continues on to this day.

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    If you would, Joel, speak about the miraculous times in which we live. My friend Dr. Michael Brown says he thinks they're probably more born-again Jewish believers at this moment than at any time since the first two centuries of the church. And we're living in incredibly significant, miraculous times. And I think looking at the Jewish nation and Jewish people help us understand that. Yeah, well, this is all a part of God's prophetic plan in the latter days. He says he was going to physically restore the Jewish people to their land, the land of of Israel, which he has done. And he was going to spiritually revive our people, as he says in the book of Ezekiel, when he talks about the dry bones of Israel in the latter days. He's gonna breathe his spirit upon the dry bones of Israel, put muscle and sinu, and et cetera, upon those bones. He is speaking about a revival, a spiritual revival of the Jewish people, as Paul says, that will be resulting in a complete redemption of the nation of Israel. This is God's plan leading up to the Second Coming. And that is properly, it is the precursor prophetic event, is the spiritual revival of Israel. The Messiah is not coming back until we as a people say, the less it is he who comes in the name of the Lord. So that revival, it's taking place now, it's been happening for 50 years, and it is on a trajectory towards national vavation.

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    And Michael Brown, who is a longtime friend, is absolutely right, they're probably more, more messianic Jews than ever before. Why? Because that's God's plan. We are moving towards the revival of the nation of Israel and the return of Yeshua. Don't be surprised. 1967, Alex, there were no messianic synagogues or congregations. Zero. And today there are over a thousand messianic congregations worldwide, about 250 to 300 in Israel alone. And it's growing and expanding. This is God's prophetic plan in action. Let's go to Gina from Texas. Gina, thanks for holding. Welcome to our conversation. Yes. Hello, Alex and Joel. Thank you both for your awesome ministries. And yes, amen. And yes, regarding what you were just talking about in Ezekiel, I think that there's also prophecy in Ezekiel that talks about the tooth sticks being rejoined. And I think that has to do with Israel and Christianity, which is of course scattered around the world. But my original question had to do with the fact that it appears to me from what I've heard in public this course is coming out of Israel, that I have not heard, at least I haven't heard, any public disclosure and belief in God, the God of Israel. Burn the Prime Minister or any of the spokesman in that worries me. What do you think? Well, understand that the nation of Israel, even though there is a growing messianic community, and there are many, many Orthodox Jews who actually believe in God too.

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    But it is largely a secular state. Now that shouldn't surprise you. Certainly God does not say he is going to bring us back as believers in the Messiah. But he's going to restore us physically and he's going to restore us spiritually. How he does that and in what order and exactly what events trigger that, believe me. It was a miracle in the late sixties when God poured out his spirit in the Jesus people revival and tens of thousands of Jewish young hippie kids accepted the Lord out of nowhere. And that's what started the modern movement. That is a miracle. And that miracle is continuing through this very day. Listen, don't be surprised. Once the revival starts inside of Israel, in the borders of Israel, it will spread like wildfire. It's a small country. Once it starts, it will spread like wildfire, and then the law will go forth from Zion to the world. So don't be discouraged. Secondly, Bibi, the prime minister of Israel, is apt to quote scriptures. He is apt to quote scriptures. There are many thoughts. I know that Bibi and his wife, Sarah, have heard the good news. I know people who know him personally, that there is a lot of activity spiritually happening in Islam that you cannot see, that I cannot see, a lot of messianic activity. But we just take it a day at a time and let the Lord work his own plan out. He's careful to watch over his own words. Yes, and you know what it's interesting we're talking about Israel Judaism Jewish people there was a psychologist Solomon Ash And the Solomon Ash conformity experiments back in the 1950s where they would do things where you know, maybe they would say gee is this piece of paper, blue or red, and people would conform when the peer pressure was so intense, people would be quiet on something they knew wasn't true, or because peer pressure is so strong.

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    And the reason I'm bringing that up, Joel, is I think there probably are vast numbers of Jewish people that do believe in Jesus, but maybe they're quiet about it, maybe like Nicodemus initially was because the pure pressure, the social ramifications can be very strong if you really, hey look, I grew up in the Bible belt and when I became a full out Christian as a Gentile southerner, I mean my friends railed me, you know, everybody made fun of me that my life had been changed by Jesus, so just multiply that times a thousand, the pressure that's on a Jewish person who comes out as a follower of Jesus. Yeah, because our people have suffered so much pain and sorrow at the hands of people that called themselves Christians in the Spanish Inquisition in the Crusades even in the Nazi concentration camps they would put up signs in the camps You are being killed in the name of Jesus Christ and they would quote Martin Martin Luther and his is the anti-Semitic rants. And of course, our people remember these things. So there is an emotional barrier. Even before you get to the theological or to the prophetic scriptures, there's an emotional hurt. There are wounds, deep wounds. And those wounds, God is now healing through the Christian Zionist movement who is putting medicine on those wounds. That's good. but at the same time, the Messianic Jewish movement is saying to our people, it's okay. It's okay to be Jewish and believe in Yeshua or Jesus. We were the ones that brought the good news of the God of Israel and the Messiah of Israel to the Greek and Roman world and beyond. The Christian world is the harvest of our forefather's work.

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    And our people just need to see that in action. And it can change the nation very quickly when they see Christians loving, not only Israel and the Jewish people, but also Messianic Jews, and embracing Messianic Jews as their elder brother, if you will. Now there is a movement that they can interact with. Now there are congregations in institutions and organizations. This is a prophetic period, and it's moving towards the Messiah's deck and coming. Joel, we've only got a few more moments, and let me, before time, Fleet's way, say what a privilege is to speak with you, and I appreciate you on so many levels. Before we get out of time, let me just ask you this. Americans of all strata, and specifically Christian Americans, what can we do to help Israel at this time? Well, obviously we can pray for Israel. The average person really does not have any power to do something physically other than to pray. However, if you want to stand with Israel, you can stand with the Joseph Project International, go to our website, joseaproject.org. You can contribute there. We will then take those funds and move goods aid to Israel and those hurting in Israel like the terrorist victims and the displaced Israelis and the idea. We actually work with the idea helping them with GoPros and with Vests and we are now helping cities with generators and so forth. Go there and learn how you could partner. shoulder under the burden of Israel and what they're dealing with now and show your love for our Jewish people and for the Messiah in real acts of kindness to our people in their dark hours as they're fighting the terrorists in the south and in the north and on several fronts all at one time. This is a great opportunity to stand with Israel in a tangible way with material goods.

  23. 48:28

    Indeed, that's Joel Chernoff of the Joseph Project International. We're almost out of time. Alex McFarlane here. What a great honor to sit in for Abrahamilton these days. I'll be on the radio tomorrow, exploring the word 3PM Central, 4PM Eastern. Keep your radio turn to AFR and may God bless you. The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family Association or American Family Radio.

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